I was so excited about this split eq and then came the downer.
Why all this latencey?
it’s 2022 who still wants to deal with all that latency?
That’s a vibe killer!!!
vibe killer!!!
thats a nono
sort the latency out and you have something.
peace
Hi, sorry to hear the latency is a showstopper for you.
Cleanly separating transient and tonal material inherently requires introducing latency. Why? To identify something as tonal, you need to know it is stable and repeating. How do you do that? By looking at the signal over time, which means there is going to be a delay before you can pass audio.
We’ve had some thoughts about how to reduce this latency, but don’t have a timeline on when that might happen.
A way around this issue is to use split EQ to process tracks in a separate project with no other plugins. This is just good practice anyway, especially for something CPU intensive plugins that are shaping your sounds having them on all the time will mess with the mix it feels like. It is pretty cool however having multiple splitteqs and then balancing tones and . Using it for a general eq is overkill a lot of the time you could use a really low latency program.
Serato studio handled it pretty well. I had 3 running before opening Ableton and being confused by the lag but my master sounded a bit different after final track was processed. It still did pretty well at the time I was unaware of the issue.
I was thinking a separate app by eventide that is simply this eq that you could use on an iPad or second PC with a send return if you wanted a live eq.
Then maybe an option for a static eq you can apply to audio files and it processes the file , gives you a sample of what it sounds like and you can work outside of live editing. so that the plugin doesn’t have to actually be running all the time
Another option for animating an eq over an audio file
This is a really good eq for shaping sound and hopefully overtime it will get less of a problem as technology improves there’s some crazy potential.
So yeh use it to shape sounds and record them then go back to your regular EQs is how i will use it until I have a computer that can handle it
I am on an older CPU mac so anyone with a new mac with an m1 chip gives some feedback.
this is speculation and i am not sure if this helped but It would be pretty funny if it did. I rarely use a swing or quantize and have low attack most of the time and so if additional lag was applied it would sound the same as if I dialled the attack way back and made sure there was no swing or grid affecting your track
A way around this issue is to use split EQ to process tracks in a separate project with no other plugins. This is just good practice anyway, especially for CPU intensive plugins that are shaping sounds. having them on all the time can mess with the mix overall it feels like it’s just a good idea to record it once the sounds are just right. . It is pretty cool however having multiple splitteqs and then balancing tones across tracks for mixing effects previously not possible. Especially where there is phasing.
Using it for a general eq is overkill a lot of the time you could use a really low latency program that doesn’t have all these great distractions that could take you away from your simple task for god knows how long.
Serato studio handled it pretty well. I had 3 running before opening Ableton and was confused by the lag but my master sounded a bit different after the final track was processed. It still did pretty well at the time I was unaware of the issue I just thought Serato Studio was still teething.
I was thinking of a separate app by eventide that is simply this eq that you could use on an iPad or second computer or even a smartphone with a send return if you wanted a live eq. The Ipad would be pretty great for mixing too.
You could also maybe add an option for a static eq you can apply to audio files and it processes the file, gives you a sample of what it sounds like and you can work outside of live editing. so that the plugin doesn’t have to actually be running all the time processing the tracks over and over.
Another cool option for animating an eq over an audio file with automation lane or you can do a manual eq “take” with that file alone. Even outside of a DAW would be useful.
This is a really good eq for shaping the sound and hopefully, over time, it will get less of a problem as technology improves there’s some crazy potential
I have found it better to use it to shape sounds and record them than go back to your low latency EQs for live editing
I am on an older CPU mac so if anyone with a new mac that has an m1 chip could give feedback on the performance I am curious to see if i can run a couple split eqs n a new machine.
this is speculation and I am not sure if this helped but It would be pretty funny if it did. I rarely use a swing or quantize and have low attack most of the time and so if additional lag was applied it would sound the same as if I dialled the attack way back and made sure there was no swing or grid affecting your track
I’m using latest Logic on M1 and there’s plenty of latency. It makes MIDI software instruments unusable. I’ve stopped using Split EQ. It sounds great and has excellent presets but in production the latency is too difficult to work around. Yes, I could use track alternatives but that’s not what I expect from a plug-in. There are other ways to achieve a similar result. I’ll come back once they solve the latency issue, perhaps with a look-ahead feature or similar. I’m disappointed in the people that hyped this product. Latency is never mentioned. Poor form.
Unfortunately I am also finding that Split EQ is very CPU intensive. Have Eventide thought about making a hardware version of it? Would certainly help solve this issue, since it is an amazing plug in when it works.
Look ahead is exactly what SplitEQ uses. And it inevitably introduces latency, if one looks 20ms ahead, latency must be at least 20ms by mathematical laws. There is no one in the whole Universe to beat it, unless one has means to travel in time.
I am an Eventide user way before their plugins.
Did many big records with Eventide gear and now Eventide Plugins.
We’re telling you, y’all should work on the latency issue.
I understand you need it to look ahead.
Give us the option to turn it on or off, like other plugins run on a low latency mode.
thanks.
Wanting to have a car with rectangular wheels? Interesting, but it does not work. If one needs to split, one needs look ahead and so latency… Without look ahead no split… How should SplitEQ work without functional split?
My REAL problem is that SplitEQ doesn’t just introduce latency to the track it is on it makes it impossible to do a recording take on any armed track while there is even 1 instance of SplitEQ anywhere else in the project which terribly hinders my workflow. This is on Ableton Live 11 and I have never encountered this issue with a plugin before, let alone a pretty pricey one from a brand I trust.
Salvodaze says it well. I work on Logic Pro X. If the plugin introduced latency just on the track it was added to I could possibly work around that. But as soon as SplitEQ is added anywhere in the project all tracks start displaying unworkable amounts of latency. SplitEQ might work in a mixing or mastering environment where latency is not such an issue, but in editing and production it’s frustrating and creates more problems than it solves. I don’t use SplitEQ anymore and remove it from all the older projects in my queue. That saves time and I can achieve a similar effect with other tools. I watched several reviews of SplitEQ before I bought SplitEQ and not one mentioned this issue which seems a glaring omission.
If you switch latency compensation off in your DAW, SplitEQ latency would be only on track where it is placed. But it could introduce another problems depending on what plugins and how do you use on other tracks…
All these guys are like “Dude this plugin has too much latency, could you reduce it? My PC very stronk”
And the poor Eventide guys: “You see, to distinguish between transient and tonal part the plugin needs to wait for some milliseconds so the delay is inevitable, no matter how powerful your sys-”
Dude just make a plugin that does all the processing and then goes back in time to compensate for the latency.
Having the same issue here.
MacOS m1 on Logic and Ableton
In my case it’s adding almost 0.5 second between when I play a key and hear a sound.
Sad but completely unusable.
All their other plug-ins are so awesome
I hate to ask but does Eventide offer money back?
I’ve just bought the Split EQ at is TOTALLY unusable because if the latency it introduces. I’m using it in Pro Tools 2023.6 with delay compensation on and when I put the plugin on a channel everything goes out of time which gets worse if I turn the delay compensation off!
And I’ve read here on this thread that in order for the Split EQ to process the transient and tonal parts of a signal it introduces some latency but this is beyond usable and I’ve wasted my money if it can only be used on the master bus!
Eventide are you working on update to get the latency down to a practical usable level?